Comments on: BioLogos as alternative to terms EC or TE http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/03/09/biologos-as-alternative-to-terms-ec-or-te/ A group blog of ASA members Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:24:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Bernie Dehler http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/03/09/biologos-as-alternative-to-terms-ec-or-te/comment-page-1/#comment-392 Bernie Dehler Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:32:25 +0000 http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/?p=211#comment-392 I think EC is better too, because of the parallels with YEC and OEC in naming.   Also, it seems to me like EC is defined pretty well by Lamoureux in his books and online essay, but I haven't seen the same level of definition for Biologos.  To me, Biologos seems like a big-tent incoherent mess like DI's ID.  I think Biologos also lacks a champion for the cause (YEC has Ken Ham, OEC has Hugh Ross, EC has Denis Lamoureux, but Francis Collins (for Biologos?) isn't in ministry.    RE: <blockquote>"Another very pleasant surprise is that Gregory Arago seems to be taking a much more reasonable position or maybe he is just expressing it in a better manner. He still objects to the use of evolution in contexts other than biology but then I object to the term TE although not in the fashion that he tends to."</blockquote> I never understood Arago's position, as if the social sciences haven't been invaded by evolution, as if it is the last bastion of science to be taken over by evolutionary thinking.  I've been reading a really good book lately about studying animals to see how morals evolved with humans, "Primates and Philosophers" http://www.amazon.com/Primates-Philosophers-Morality-Evolved-Princeton/dp/0691124477   ...Bernie (Friend of the ASA) I think EC is better too, because of the parallels with YEC and OEC in naming.
 
Also, it seems to me like EC is defined pretty well by Lamoureux in his books and online essay, but I haven’t seen the same level of definition for Biologos.  To me, Biologos seems like a big-tent incoherent mess like DI’s ID.  I think Biologos also lacks a champion for the cause (YEC has Ken Ham, OEC has Hugh Ross, EC has Denis Lamoureux, but Francis Collins (for Biologos?) isn’t in ministry.
  
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“Another very pleasant surprise is that Gregory Arago seems to be taking a much more reasonable position or maybe he is just expressing it in a better manner. He still objects to the use of evolution in contexts other than biology but then I object to the term TE although not in the fashion that he tends to.”

I never understood Arago’s position, as if the social sciences haven’t been invaded by evolution, as if it is the last bastion of science to be taken over by evolutionary thinking.  I’ve been reading a really good book lately about studying animals to see how morals evolved with humans, “Primates and Philosophers”

http://www.amazon.com/Primates-Philosophers-Morality-Evolved-Princeton/dp/0691124477
 
…Bernie
(Friend of the ASA)

]]> By: Steven Martin http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/03/09/biologos-as-alternative-to-terms-ec-or-te/comment-page-1/#comment-226 Steven Martin Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:10:29 +0000 http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/?p=211#comment-226 Hi Dave, I prefer the term EC over TE for many of the same reasons you've stated.    Creation is part of the good news we need to proclaim as Christians - let's not avoid the term.   re: the term biologos, I guess I'm not sure yet.   I do like Falk's point in the comments though that whatever term we use: <em>This is about helping people understand that God created through a gradual process and that coming to know this can enhance one’s understanding of the nature and activity of God.</em> Hi Dave,
I prefer the term EC over TE for many of the same reasons you’ve stated.    Creation is part of the good news we need to proclaim as Christians – let’s not avoid the term.   re: the term biologos, I guess I’m not sure yet.   I do like Falk’s point in the comments though that whatever term we use:
This is about helping people understand that God created through a gradual process and that coming to know this can enhance one’s understanding of the nature and activity of God.

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