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		<title>Thoughts about Psychopathy and the Moral Law</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/08/08/thoughts-about-psychopathy-and-the-moral-law/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Iain Strachan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible and Science]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ethics]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, everyone, I&#8217;m back after a long gap.  Hopefully in this new format the waters will be calmer than they were at the end of last year.</p>
<p>Here are some thoughts I&#8217;ve been having recently that surely touches the interface of science and faith, but is not one I&#8217;ve seen discussed much as the usual favourites (evolution, <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/08/08/thoughts-about-psychopathy-and-the-moral-law/">Thoughts about Psychopathy and the Moral Law</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, everyone, I&#8217;m back after a long gap.  Hopefully in this new format the waters will be calmer than they were at the end of last year.</p>
<p>Here are some thoughts I&#8217;ve been having recently that surely touches the interface of science and faith, but is not one I&#8217;ve seen discussed much as the usual favourites (evolution, climate change, the environment etc).</p>
<p>C.S. Lewis writes in &#8220;Mere Christianity&#8221; of what he calls the &#8220;Moral Law&#8221; &#8211; the innate sense of right and wrong that we seem to have instilled in us &#8211; which gives us a conscience.  Francis Collins, in his book &#8220;The Language of God&#8221; writes that it was the existence of this Moral Law, and indeed our awareness that we often break this law wantonly, that shattered his atheism and ultimately brought him to faith in Christ.  He argues that it is a pointer towards the existence of God, but warns about falling for the &#8220;God of the Gaps&#8221; analogy.</p>
<p>I think Paul is writing about the same thing in Romans 2:14-15 thus:</p>
<p>(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)</p>
<p>(I find it wonderful that such a large grain of wisdom is contained in a parenthetical comment!)</p>
<p>However my thoughts have been stretched recently into thinking about psychopathy, and how this fits into the picture.  Psychopathy is characterized as an inability to feel remorse, guilt, conscience, empathy towards victims, and also severe emotional detachment.  Many psychopaths are of course in jail &#8211; and it is common to hear a judge condemning a serial killer or rapist as not showing any remorse for their crimes, as if this somehow makes them more evil.  Such people are often condemned as &#8220;evil&#8221; especially by the press, and of course the acts they commit are indeed evil.</p>
<p>But is this all just a symptom of an illness, which they can&#8217;t help?  Dr. Kent Kiehl is a cognitive neuroscientist who is researching into psychopathy using fMRI scanning techniques, on prison inmates, to see if one can find specific brain abnormalities that lead to psychopathic behaviour.  It  is hoped eventually that this might lead to possible treatments to reduce psychopathic tendencies.  The work is described in this <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook">New Yorker Article</a>.</p>
<p>I am wondering where all this leaves the moral law argument?  If psychopaths are people without a functioning conscience this is a kind of disability &#8211; and it points to the idea that not all of us have an innate sense of right and wrong as Lewis suggests.  The problem is perhaps wider than just prison inmates &#8211; prisons contain  &#8221;failed psychopaths&#8221;, but it is believed there are many more successful psychopaths out there who have succeeded by manipulating and exploiting other people without the normal pangs of conscience and the constraining aspect that most of us feel guilty when we do something wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any real answers to this, or indeed any firm conclusion, but I&#8217;d be interested to see if anyone else has some interesting insights into this.</p>
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		<title>Science, Faith, and Public Policy</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/22/science-faith-and-public-policy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Randy Isaac</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[ASA Matters]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ASA Meetings]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The 2010 ASA annual meeting is set to begin on Friday July 30. The first plenary talk will feature Congressman Venon Ehlers, an ASA member for many years. Other plenary speakers and contributed papers can be seen in the final program and the abstract book.</p>
<p>Audio files of talks are being posted at 
http://www.asa3.org/ASAradio/ASA2008podcast.xml</p>
<p>Attendees and ASA members <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/22/science-faith-and-public-policy/">Science, Faith, and Public Policy</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/meetingASA.html">2010 ASA annual meeting</a> is set to begin on Friday July 30. The first plenary talk will feature Congressman Venon Ehlers, an ASA member for many years. Other plenary speakers and contributed papers can be seen in the <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/meetings/dc2010/DC_program.pdf">final program</a> and the <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/meetings/dc2010/DC_abstractbook.pdf">abstract book</a>.</p>
<p>Audio files of talks are being posted at <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASAradio/ASA2008podcast.xml"><br />
http://www.asa3.org/ASAradio/ASA2008podcast.xml</a></p>
<p>Attendees and ASA members are encouraged to use the comment feature of this post to submit comments and questions pertaining to any aspect of this meeting. Speakers will be encouraged to respond to any question directed to them.</p>
<p>The goal of our organization is to facilitate dialog among Christians in a context of Christian love, without fear of unjust condemnation. We do not shy from controversial topics but encourage respectful discussion of any topic related to science and faith, within the context of our statement of faith and our commitment to integrity in the practice of science.</p>
<p>Let the discussion begin.</p>
<p>Randy</p>
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		<title>ASA Origins Survey with Correction</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Age of the Earth]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recently the ASA sent a poll to its members concerning origins. Roughly half responded. The ASA is a fellowship of professional scientists and technologists who are Christians. The American Geophysical Union did a similar poll concerning global warming and found a huge difference of opinion between climatologists and petroleum engineers with 97% of climatologists affirming anthropogenic <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/16/asa-origins-survey-with-correction/">ASA Origins Survey with Correction</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently the ASA sent a <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/asa/survey/OriginsResults.pdf">poll</a> to its members concerning origins. Roughly half responded. The ASA is a fellowship of professional scientists and technologists who are Christians. The American Geophysical Union did a similar poll concerning global warming and found a huge difference of opinion between climatologists and petroleum engineers with 97% of climatologists affirming anthropogenic global warming and only 47% of the petroleum engineers. This got me thinking. Is there a similar kind of effect in our poll?</p>
<p>First here is how the results came in for the membership as a whole:</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/survey.png" alt="Survey" /></p>
<p>With 2/3 of our members accepting evolution of humans it’s probably pretty surprising to your average church goer. Is it the evil secular universities that Expelled railed against? We can look and see how the answers differed for those who attended secular or Christian universities.</p>
<p>My columns correspond to:</p>
<ol>
<li>The Universe is 14 billion years old</li>
<li>The Earth is 4.6 billion years old.</li>
<li>Natural evolution. That is plants and animals evolved with natural causes.</li>
<li>Generic evolution. That is plants and animals evolved through either natural or non-natural causes. This is calculated by counting up who answered yes to either the natural or non-natural question.</li>
<li>Human evolution.</li>
</ol>
<p>I’ve included a bar called all in all my charts so that the average response can be compared.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/College.png" alt="Views vs. College" /></p>
<p>Nope. No difference. Another thing to explore is whether there is any difference between scientists who are currently employed full time and those who are retired. Presumably the former would be more aware of the current state of the evidence since they are in the thick of it.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/Employment.png" alt="Views vs. Employment" /></p>
<p>So, at least in the minds of those who are currently full-time scientists, the state of the evidence is moving in the direction of natural and human evolution. The difference between the full-time scientists and the retired ones is 13-14%.</p>
<p>Now let’s look at the employers of the scientists. Since origins is basic and not applied research those who are in education, government, and medical should be more aware of the state of the evidence over and against industry and ministry.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/Employer.png" alt="Views vs. Employer" /></p>
<p>Education, government, and medical all cluster together. I haven’t talked about the age of the Earth or Universe since there is mostly agreement regardless of category. Here we have a drop in support for an old Universe by those in the medical field. Hmm. We see more profound drops in support of natural evolution: 17% for industry and 31% for ministry. Human evolution drops 16% and 29% respectively.</p>
<p>Finally, let’s test my hypothesis that differences in opinions stems from differences in familiarity with the evidence by looking at the specific domain experts. I will look at full-time biologists, geologists, and physicists/astronomers. I will include engineers as a group of non-experts with which to compare.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/Expertise.png" alt="Views vs. Expertise" /></p>
<p>100% of the physicists/astronomers affirm an ancient Universe and 100% of full-time geologists affirm an ancient Earth. 80% of full-time biologists affirm natural evolution and human evolution and 88% of them affirm generic evolution. The difference from engineers is 30% for natural evolution, 18% for generic evolution, and 24% for human evolution. The degree to which there is a difference of opinions on origins is not related to whether Christian scientists went to a Christian or secular school. Rather, it is related to the degree of familiarity with the scientific evidence. The greater the familiarity, the greater the degree of acceptance of mainstream science on origins.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/OtherQuestions.png" alt="Other Questions" /></p>
<p>So far, I’ve limited myself to areas where there is scientific consensus. The questions above are more in the developing stage where there is some evidence but more work needs to be done. See my <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/08/hamiltons-rule/">blog post</a> for one example.  We still see a similar pattern where the domain experts see more of the evidence, probably because it’s more obscure. Still, only the OOL evidence was sufficient to warrant a bare majority (51%) of the experts. Multiverses were the exception where the physicists/astronomers scored it lower than the non-experts.</p>
<p><strong>CORRECTION:</strong></p>
<p>In the comments our executive director, Randy Isaac, noted a flaw in how I did the calculation and Doug Hayworth noticed my graph format was not helpful (N.B. for those who are unfamiliar with peer review Terry&#8217;s, Randy&#8217;s, and Doug&#8217;s comments are similar to what happens in the peer review process. The difference between this and real peer review is the intensity of the review and the domain expertise of the reviewers.) Randy noted that roughly 8% did not choose to affirm any of the statements. I interpreted this as no answer and didn&#8217;t include them in the calculations. For example, a young earth creationist would presumably also not select any of the options and by treating it the way I did his response would not be counted. So, the better approach is to treat this situation as &#8220;none of the above&#8221;. Treating none of the above as a proxy for YEC and since a non-domain experts maybe hesitant to give an exact answer to the age questions, 8% is probably the upper limit of YEC in our organization.</p>
<p>So, I redid the calculations and here are the comparisons.<br />
<img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/college_revised-1.png" alt="Views vs. College" /></p>
<p>There is still no real difference based on going to a Christian or secular college. This doesn&#8217;t explain any difference of views.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/employment_revised-1.png" alt="Views vs. Employment" /></p>
<p>There is a 14% difference on evolution based on natural causes in the original calculation and 13% with the new one. The difference for human evolution 13% and 12% respectively.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/employer_revised-1.png" alt="Views vs. Employer" /></p>
<p>The difference between education and ministry is 31% for the old calculation and 28% for the new for evolution with natural causes. The differences are 29% and 26% respectively for human evolution.</p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/expertise_revised-2.png" alt="Views vs. Expertise" /></p>
<p><img src="http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/rblinne/ASA%20Paper/other_revised.png" alt="Views vs. Expertise" /></p>
<p>Expertise is the only area where the new calculation shows any substantive differences. 7% of the full-time biologists affirmed none of the statements.  All the full-time geologists picked at least one of the statements and all affirmed an old earth. Engineers, physicists and geologists had a response rate than the biologists and had a higher response to the age of the Universe question.</p>
<p>For the old calculation, there is a 30% difference for the natural evolution statement between biologists and engineers and a 31% difference between geologists and engineers. For the new calculation this changes to 27% and 33%. Human evolution showed similar small changes between the new and old calculations.</p>
<p>So, my original thesis still appears to hold. Employed scientists are more likely to accept the consensus science than retired ones. Scientists employed in areas that are more likely to do basic science, likewise. Finally, the areas of expertise closest to the areas of age of the earth and evolution are also more likely to accept this than areas that are further away.  Going to a Christian college versus a secular one has no bearing on whether the mainstream science is accepted.</p>
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		<title>Hamilton&#8217;s Rule</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Intelligent Design]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A recent poll of ASA members showed some interesting results.</p>
<p>1. 73% of Christian professionals in the sciences affirmed the following: &#8220;Plants and animals developed through evolutionary processes&#8221; (with natural and/or non-natural causes from ancestral forms)
2. 60% affirmed &#8220;Plants and animals developed through evolutionary processes with natural causes from ancestral forms.&#8221;
3. 61% affirmed &#8220;Biologically, Homo Sapiens evolved <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/08/hamiltons-rule/">Hamilton&#8217;s Rule</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/asa/survey/OriginsResults.pdf">poll</a> of ASA members showed some interesting results.</p>
<p>1. 73% of Christian professionals in the sciences affirmed the following: &#8220;Plants and animals developed through evolutionary processes&#8221; (with natural and/or non-natural causes from ancestral forms)<br />
2. 60% affirmed &#8220;Plants and animals developed through evolutionary processes with natural causes from ancestral forms.&#8221;<br />
3. 61% affirmed &#8220;Biologically, Homo Sapiens evolved through natural processes from ancestral forms in common with primates.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was one key area where the support dropped that I want to explore. Only 27% affirmed &#8220;Human behaviors, like kindness, care for children, competition, or desire for revenge, developed through evolutionary processes with natural causes.&#8221; Note that this is less than the 40% that affirmed &#8220;Living organisms on earth developed through evolutionary processes with natural causes from non-living material more than 3 billion years ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason for this in my opinion is that while the theory of evolution has great explanatory power there are areas where to date it hasn&#8217;t. One such area is cooperation or altruism. Furthermore, the implications of &#8220;nature red in tooth and claw&#8221; goes against our Christian beliefs. This kind of ambivalence to evolutionary theory by Christians goes all the way back to Darwin&#8217;s &#8220;Origin of Species&#8221;.</p>
<p>Darwin added the following quote of <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/namedef-2703">Charles Kingsley</a> to his <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-2534#mark-2534.f4">second edition</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A celebrated author and divine has written to me that “he has gradually learnt to see that it is just as noble a conception of the Deity to believe that He created a few original forms capable of self-development into other and needful forms, as to believe that He required a fresh act of creation to supply the voids caused by the action of His laws.”</p></blockquote>
<p>On the other hand, fellow evolutionist Alfred R. Wallace <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-5140">advocated to Darwin </a>to use Spencer&#8217;s term <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-5140#mark-5140.f5">&#8220;survival of the fittest&#8221;</a> as a synonym for natural selection. Darwin did do this starting in his <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-5140#mark-5140.f9">fifth edition</a>.</p>
<p>From the use of this term, many Christians inferred social darwinism. (Whether social darwinism really is implied is historically dubious.) It is the social darwinism of <em>laissez faire</em> economics more than anything else that motivated William Jennings Bryan during the Scopes trial.  He said the following on the age of the earth question: &#8220;It is better to trust in the Rock of Ages than to know the ages of rock.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since Darwin, evolutionary theory has struggled to explain cooperative or altruistic behavior in humans and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusociality">eusocial</a> creatures. One such attempt is known as Hamilton&#8217;s Rule.</p>
<p>Formally Hamilton&#8217;s Rule is genes should increase in frequency when</p>
<p>rB &gt; C</p>
<p>where<br />
r = the genetic relatedness of the recipient to the actor, often defined as the probability that a gene picked randomly from each at the same locus is identical by descent.<br />
B = the additional reproductive benefit gained by the recipient of the altruistic act,<br />
C = the reproductive cost to the individual of performing the act.</p>
<p>This is known more informally as kin selection. Since this only explains sacrifice for related creatures the self-sacrifice for the &#8220;unrelated&#8221; is still unexplained. That was until an apparently little-noticed <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;328/5986/1700">paper</a> two weeks ago in <em>Science</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hamilton’s rule states that cooperation will evolve if the fitness cost to actors is less than the benefit to recipients multiplied by their genetic relatedness. This rule makes many simplifying assumptions, however, and does not accurately describe social evolution in organisms such as microbes where selection is both strong and nonadditive. We derived a generalization of Hamilton’s rule and measured its parameters in Myxococcus xanthus bacteria. Nonadditivity made cooperative sporulation remarkably resistant to exploitation by cheater strains. <strong>Selection was driven by higher-order moments of population structure, not relatedness. These results provide an empirically testable cooperation principle applicable to both microbes and multicellular organisms and show how nonlinear interactions among cells insulate bacteria against cheaters. </strong>[Emphasis mine.]</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s how Smith et al generalized the rule:</p>
<blockquote><p>To bridge the gap between theory and data, we derived a generalization of Hamilton’s rule that does not assume additivity or weak selection and whose parameters are empirically measurable (21). We found that cooperators increase in frequency if</p>
<p><strong> r . b</strong> &#8211; c + <strong>m . d</strong> &gt; 0 (1)</p>
<p>Distributions can be described by their moments: parameters that measure their shape and location. The relatedness vector r = {r1, r2, &#8230;} measures how the distributions of social environments encountered by cooperators and noncooperators differ in each of these moments (fig. S2). r1 is equivalent to r in Hamilton’s rule (5). The other terms are higher-order relatedness coefficients (22, 23). Any smooth function can be expanded into a Taylor polynomial series whose coefficients measure its linear, quadratic, and higher-order components. The benefit vector b describes noncooperator fitness as a function of social environment (red lines in Fig. 1) in terms of its Taylor coefficients. c is the cost of cooperation when all neighbors are noncooperators. m  d is nonzero when benefits depend on recipient genotype (Fig. 1C). m is the moments vector for cooperators. d is the difference between the Taylor series of cooperators and noncooperators. Unlike Hamilton’s rule, Eq. (1) disentangles fitness effects from population structure and is valid for arbitrarily complex forms of social selection. When fitness effects are additive, Eq. (1) reduces to rb – c &gt; 0.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol328/issue5986/images/medium/328_1700_F1.gif" alt="Figure 1" /></p>
<p>Fig. 1. Measuring the costs and benefits of cooperation in microbes. Blue, cooperator fitness; red, noncooperator fitness. (A) In Hamilton&#8217;s rule, b is the slope of fitness against the frequency of cooperators among social neighbors; c is the fitness difference between cooperators and noncooperators for a given social environment. Fitness effects are nonadditive when benefits are (B) nonlinear or (C) depend on recipient genotype.</p></blockquote>
<p>Putting this into English, it was the population structure rather than kinship that selected for cooperators of M. xanthus over cheaters, aka Richard Dawkin&#8217;s &#8220;selfish gene&#8221;. Furthermore, this work takes Hamilton&#8217;s rule from a heuristic to an empirically useful structure to look at other social structures. So, I suspect we will see a lot of followup on this in the coming years. It also challenges our intuitive concept of what constitutes the &#8220;fittest&#8221; which survives.</p>
<p>One thing that those of us who are critical of intelligent design are fond of saying is that it promotes a God of the gaps. The study above shows that we should be careful of our own gaps. Whether it&#8217;s research like this or the RNA World concerning origin of life or even multi-verses we should be careful that our apologetics doesn&#8217;t lean too heavily upon a lack of a natural explanation. History has shown that such an explanation often does come along even if it takes a long time. I&#8217;ll close re-quoting Kingsley&#8217;s warning to us about gaps &#8212; this time as <a href="http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-2534#mark-2534.f4">he wrote Darwin in 1859</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have gradually learnt to see that it is just as noble a conception of Deity, to believe that he created primal forms capable of self development into all forms needful pro tempore &amp; pro loco, as to believe that He required a fresh act of inter-vention to supply the lacunas wh. he himself had made. I question whether the former be not the loftier thought.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Randomness, Political Polling, and Intelligent Design</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/01/randomness-political-polling-and-intelligent-design/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Intelligent Design]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Political polling wunderkind, Nate Silver, has done it again. First he saw how Strategic Vision was making up polling data and now his low rating of Research 2000 has lead to a lawsuit of R2K by the Daily Kos for fraud. I would like to look at how the alleged fraud was detected. Namely, physical phenomena <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/07/01/randomness-political-polling-and-intelligent-design/">Randomness, Political Polling, and Intelligent Design</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political polling <em>wunderkind</em>, Nate Silver, has done it again. First he saw how Strategic Vision was making up polling data and now his low rating of Research 2000 has lead to a <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/breaking-daily-kos-to-sue-research-2000.html">lawsuit</a> of R2K by the Daily Kos for fraud. I would like to look at how the alleged fraud was detected. Namely, physical phenomena including the acts and beliefs of intelligent agents is marked by statistical randomness and how hard it is for humans to fake it.</p>
<p>There were three things that stood out with the R2K data:</p>
<p>1. There were too many pairs of even and odd numbers in the crosstabs. If a percentage of a male respondent was even then so was the female and the same was the case for an odd number. The odds that this would happen by random is 10^228. That&#8217;s right. 1 followed by 228 zeroes.</p>
<p>2. The variance between the weekly samples was too small. (9.947). A chi-squared distribution showed the odds of this happening via regular polling is 1 in 10^16.</p>
<p>3. There was insufficient week to week variation that was zero. There are too many times that the week-to-week variance was plus or minus one but not zero. This last one I want to focus on because it shows how our innate sense of what is &#8220;random&#8221; fails us.</p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s look at how Gallup&#8217;s tracking poll varies from week to week:<br />
<img src="http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/dxgng43_547gr63hn_b.png" alt="Gallup Distribution" /></p>
<p>Now R2K&#8217;s weekly variance:<br />
<img src="http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/dxgng43_4dd25j4fz_b.png" alt="R2K Variance" /></p>
<p>Note the &#8220;narrowness&#8221; of the R2K versus Gallup distribution. Now on to the psychology of trying to pretend to be random. On the TV series <em>Numbers</em> one episode showed how spatial distributions are too uniform to be random. The criminal in the story was trying to look like the crimes were in random locations but his human psychology betrayed him. There is an analogous issue here. See this 1960 <a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/1419124">study</a> on generating a &#8220;random&#8221; sequence. What we do like the <em>Numbers </em> example is we have insufficient runs and clustering. It looks like 0100110110110101 and not like 1111100101111100000. We sense the repeated 1s and 0s don&#8217;t look &#8220;random&#8221; enough when in reality real random sequences act like that. Having the same approval or disapproval numbers between weeks doesn&#8217;t feel right so instead a small change one way or the other wrongly feels random. The same goes for large week-to-week jumps. Rigorous mathematical analysis shows, however, it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Intelligent Design uses the same &#8220;gut feel&#8221; rather than calculated statistics. They complain that the evolutionary process cannot be random. In the process of doing their &#8220;folk science&#8221; they make some very basic statistical mistakes.</p>
<p>Note Nick Matzke&#8217;s critique of Behe&#8217;s statistics of the odds of drug resistant malaria in<em> Edge of Evolution</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Here again, Behe just assumes this.  He gives no reasons in his book for why two binding sites would have to evolve *at once* anywhere in actual real-life evolution, which is the only reason you would <strong>multiply 10^20 by 10^20 to get 10^40 required organisms</strong>.  In real life, evolution would most commonly evolve one binding site for one function, then the complex would sit around doing its function for awhile, and then occasionally another protein would evolve binding for some other function, or for improving the current function.  It&#8217;s called exaptation &#8212; change of function in evolution &#8212; and it has been absolutely fundamental in evolutionary theory ever since Darwin.</p></blockquote>
<p>The mistake is the assumption that the two random gene changes are statistically independent when they are not. The other &#8220;gut feel&#8221; that&#8217;s done by Intelligent Design proponents is that intelligent agency and &#8220;randomness&#8221; are mutually exclusive categories. As we see from the behavior of intelligent agents above not only is randomness not the antithesis of this, it&#8217;s <strong>required</strong>. We cannot rely on our flawed instincts. We have to do the math.</p>
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		<title>Book review:&#8221;Fire, ice and paradise&#8221; &amp; My progress</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/06/19/book-reviewfire-ice-and-paradise-my-progress/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Environment]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to call your attention to the above titled book by H. Leighton Steward, which is reviewed on my blog at
http://bricolagia.blogspot.com/2010/05/more-satisfying-view-of-anthropogenic.html. It seems that many geologists take a different view of AGW than climatologists, and their views should be taken into account.</p>
<p>Now about me: I&#8217;m making good progress. I am in my third cycle of <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/06/19/book-reviewfire-ice-and-paradise-my-progress/">Book review:&#8221;Fire, ice and paradise&#8221; &#38; My progress</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to call your attention to the above titled book by H. Leighton Steward, which is reviewed on my blog at<br />
http://bricolagia.blogspot.com/2010/05/more-satisfying-view-of-anthropogenic.html. It seems that many geologists take a different view of AGW than climatologists, and their views should be taken into account.</p>
<p>Now about me: I&#8217;m making good progress. I am in my third cycle of chemotherapy and the bad proteins have come down by about 66%. When they get down near zero I will have a stem cell transplant at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. Your prayers will be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Where&#8217;s the Outrage?</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/06/19/wheres-the-outrage/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m revisiting the BP spill disaster, you might assume from my title I&#8217;m talking about the President. I&#8217;m not. Rather, I&#8217;m talking about evangelicals in general and global warming skeptics in particular.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been debating global warming here for years because I believe that evangelicals have been manipulated by the energy companies and their political and <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/06/19/wheres-the-outrage/">Where&#8217;s the Outrage?</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m revisiting the BP spill disaster, you might assume from my title I&#8217;m talking about the President. I&#8217;m not. Rather, I&#8217;m talking about evangelicals in general and global warming skeptics in particular.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been debating global warming here for years because I believe that evangelicals have been manipulated by the energy companies and their political and ideological allies. The energy companies want two things. The first is less regulation and the second is to limit their exposure to legal liability. In the case of the latter, this has been done since the 70s when current global warming skeptics such as Richard Lindzen were hired to claim that cigarettes did not cause cancer. As a Brown and Williamson memo put it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact’ that exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Energy companies such as BP  latched onto this strategy. They also sought to promote offshore drilling in the last presidential campaign and gained the support of conservative evangelicals. I received a flier from the political arm of Focus on the Family concerning the Senate race in Colorado. In it they listed offshore oil drilling as a family-related issue!</p>
<p>Just before this blog was formed I was asked why I was not commenting on the so-called ClimateGate. My response then was since this was the result of a crime that it was inappropriate to make comments on it. Since then, official investigations have largely exonerated the participants and some are ongoing. What I find ironic is the accusations made then and how they apply to the current situation:</p>
<ol>
<li>The scientists manipulated research to make things fit their preconceived notions.</li>
<li>The scientists blocked independent researchers from accessing their data.</li>
</ol>
<p>First of all, BP and other oil companies created an illusion that oil was simply not running out in the U.S. and thus more oil production in environmentally sensitive areas would give us more &#8220;energy independence&#8221;.</p>
<p>Look at this ASA e-mail post from August 2004, entitled Funny Numbers and note from where the &#8220;funny numbers&#8221; came:</p>
<blockquote><p>Looking at the 2004 BP Statistical Review of energy shows up lots of funny<br />
numbers. Here are a couple I found interesting<br />
With respect to tables listing &#8220;Proven Reserves&#8221; of Oil:</p>
<ol>
<li>of 53 geographical regions covered in the review, the proven reserves of 39<br />
of them were exactly unchanged from the previous year. For example the US is<br />
reported to have 30.7 billion barrels (Bbbl) of proven reserves at the end of<br />
2002 and again at the end of 2003, this despite the fact that domestic<br />
production amounted to 2.7 Bbbl during 2003. Similarly 10 out of 11 of the<br />
Middle Eastern country&#8217;s reserves are unchanged from the previous year despite<br />
production of some 8.25 Bbbl of oil in 2003 from these nations.</li>
<li>eight producing regions listed small declines in oil reserves; 6 listed<br />
small increases in reserves; overall, according to the BP report, world proven<br />
reserves of oil grew from 1146.3 Bbbl in 2002 to 1147.7 Bbbl in 2003; this<br />
despite world production of more than 28 Bbbl of oil in 2003. Remarkably, most<br />
nations, including the US, must be discovering new reserves at exactly the same<br />
rate that we are producing oil.</li>
</ol>
</blockquote>
<p>And note this post by ASA member and oil industry expert Glenn Morton from February 2005:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Gulf of Mexico shelf has a serious problem&#8211;declining production that is not being arrested. Production from shelf wells has dropped from above 333 MMbbl and 4.8 tcf in 2000 to a projected 186 MMbbl and 2.5 tcf in 2004.  The 244 MMbbl of produced oil in 2003 is down 27% from 2000. Oil production for 2004 is expected to drop 44% from 2000. Gas production in 2003  at 3.3 tcf is down 1.5 tcf, 31% off the 4.8 tcf produced in 2000.&#8221; James Dodson, Ted Dodson, Victor Schmidt, &#8220;GoM deep Shelf Incentive Fails to Overcome Decline,&#8221; Offshore, Jan 2005, p. 35</p></blockquote>
<p>And the situation has not gotten any better since then. The EIA has noted that OCS production will only decrease gasoline prices by pennies a gallon in the 2020s. The oil industry has misrepresented the amount of so-called energy independence these risky wells will produce.</p>
<p>Second of all, that&#8217;s not the worst of it. BP low-balled the spill rate from the beginning. Why? Because it <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100521/pl_mcclatchy/3511770">reduces</a> their exposure in court. The same M.O. that was used in global warming denial was done by one of their executives on Anderson Cooper called the larger &#8212; read more and more accurate with every passing day &#8212; estimates &#8220;alarmist&#8221;. They also said estimates of the flow could not be done like what was claimed with respect to the computer models for global warming.</p>
<p>Furthermore, independent scientists have been blocked from measuring the flow or have access to injured wildlife. Employees and contractors of BP have been required to sign onerous non-disclosure agreements. Media cameras have been blocked from sensitive areas.</p>
<p>But so what? Because of the low estimates there is now insufficient production capacity to remove the oil from the cap BP installed. This is why it&#8217;s important to have the best estimates. Even if the blowout could not have been avoided and this is the best mitigation that could be done, the bad estimates are causing oil to go into the Gulf that could have been avoided with sufficient production resources in place. The same holds true for the low-ball estimates of the global warming skeptics. The same people are telling us that anthropogenic global warming is under control and we can fix whatever problems are caused by it. Fool me once&#8230;</p>
<p>BP is doing the exact same thing that got all the people incensed about ClimateGate. Where&#8217;s the outrage? So far I&#8217;ve heard crickets.</p>
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		<title>Thoughts on Craig Venter&#8217;s Synthetic Cell</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/05/27/thoughts-on-craig-venters-synthetic-cell/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On May 10 ScienceExpress published on-line Craig Venter&#8217;s Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome. A talk by Venter given last year at TED.com is a good introduction to the work.</p>
<p>Venter&#8217;s achievement is remarkable and embodies two critical accomplishments&#8211;first, the use of a chemically (vs. biologically) synthesized chromosome. Venter&#8217;s chromosome had never <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/05/27/thoughts-on-craig-venters-synthetic-cell/">Thoughts on Craig Venter&#8217;s Synthetic Cell</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On May 10 ScienceExpress published on-line Craig Venter&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/rapidpdf/science.1190719v1.pdf">Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome</a>. <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/craig_venter_is_on_the_verge_of_creating_synthetic_life.html">A talk by Venter given last year</a> at TED.com is a good introduction to the work.</p>
<p>Venter&#8217;s achievement is remarkable and embodies two critical accomplishments&#8211;first, the use of a chemically (vs. biologically) synthesized chromosome. Venter&#8217;s chromosome had never seen a cell prior to its &#8220;booting up&#8221; in the new host. Of course, the sequence was based on a known bacterial chromosome, but contained modified genes to distinguish it from the host cell and with &#8220;watermarks&#8221; (more on that later).</p>
<p>The second accomplishment is that the synthesized chromosome was inserted into a host cell (with different DNA from a different species). The system was engineered so that the original host cell DNA would be destroyed and that the new chemically synthesized chromosome would be preserved. This happened and the cell was transformed to function according to the new &#8220;program&#8221;, the new synthesized chromosome.</p>
<p>This is a remarkable achievement and paves the way to all sorts of future experiments. In principle, however, this is merely a large-scale and chromosome level version of already existing recombinant DNA technology. Venter calls this a &#8220;synthetic cell&#8221; and at this point I consider this to be mostly hype. Future experiments may result in something that could be called a &#8220;synthetic cell&#8221;, but for now this is an already existing cell transformed by a chromosome replacement. Thus, the ethical implications of this seem minimal to me.</p>
<p>The ScienceExpress paper notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Phenotypic effects of the recipient cytoplasm are diluted with protein turnover and as cells carrying only the transplanted genome replicate. Following transplantation and replication on a plate to form a colony (&gt;30 divisions or &gt;109 fold dilution), progeny will not contain any protein molecules that were present in the original recipient cell. This was previously demonstrated when we first described genome transplantation. The properties of the cells controlled by the assembled genome are expected to be the same as if the whole cell had been produced synthetically (the DNA software builds its own hardware).</p></blockquote>
<p>Thus within 30 generations, the proteins of the bacterium have been completely determined by the new chromosome. Presumably this would eventually be true of cellular components synthesized by these proteins.</p>
<p>Starting off with a living bacterial cell (even if the DNA has been destroyed) limits the claim of &#8220;synthetic cell.&#8221; Again, I&#8217;m not in the least trying to minimize Venter&#8217;s accomplishment, but he started with a living system and synthesized a chromosome that used the same genetic code as the starting living system. I will wait for &#8220;booting&#8221; the DNA without a starting living system before I apply the moniker &#8220;synthetic cell.&#8221; That seems a bit more difficult. Since the entire chromosome is synthesized, why not alter the genetic code, i.e. change the aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases so that there is a completely novel relationship between the DNA and amino acid sequences. At first glance this would require booting from scratch, without the presence of the pre-existing living cell, but accomplishing this would be a convincing proof of concept.</p>
<p>Questions have arisen about such experiments in eukaryotes. Could we regenerate a Neanderthal, or a woolly mammoth, or a Tasmanian wolf (organisms for which the code exists &#8220;digitally&#8221;)? Epigenetic factors in the fertilized egg into which the synthesized chromosome was &#8220;booted&#8221; would influence development at first. (Think about the chimp with human DNA in Michael Crichton&#8217;s <em>Next</em>). But, if it is true that the original epigenetic factors are diluted after a number of generations as in the bacterial case, then perhaps we would end up with something very close to the organism originally coded for by the synthesized DNA. No control exists, however, so we will never know if we have the real Neanderthal or just something very close.</p>
<p>In the TED video Venter comments on the success of this project as showing that via genome acquisition and incorporation, fast and large-scale evolution is demonstrated. Indeed, <em>Mycoplasma capricolum</em> evolved into <em>Mycoplasma mycoides</em> in one generation (or at most 30 generations).</p>
<p>Venter&#8217;s watermark is fascinating, and I think somewhat relevant to the intelligent design debate. Venter&#8217;s synthetic chromosome spells out the following &#8220;words&#8221; in some sections of the coded proteins using the one-letter codes of the amino acids coded for by the synthesized gene:</p>
<p>VENTERINSTITVTE<br />
CRAIGVENTER<br />
HAMSMITH<br />
CINDIANDCLYDE<br />
GLASSANDCLYDE</p>
<p>Without overly simplifying the ID argument, it has often struck me that if God wanted to give us a definitive proof of His hand in Creation he could have done such a thing by writing out a message in English (or whatever language you like) using the one letter amino acid codes. (Think about Sagan&#8217;s <em>Contact</em> and the message encoded in the digits of pi.) How does the ID argument fare even here? Are these &#8220;watermarks,&#8221; which we know are intelligently designed, detectable?</p>
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		<title>Building a Bridge Between Faith and Science</title>
		<link>http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/05/11/building-a-bridge-between-faith-and-science/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Randy Isaac</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jennifer Wiseman, astronomer and currently president of the ASA Executive Council, is the featured guest May 11 and May 12, 2010, on the radio show &#8220;Afternoons with Dr. David Anderson&#8221; from 3pm to 4pm EDT on WAVA 105.1 FM in Washington, DC. The program can be heard on the internet. Listen to the show and <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/05/11/building-a-bridge-between-faith-and-science/">Building a Bridge Between Faith and Science</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jennifer Wiseman, astronomer and currently president of the ASA Executive Council, is the featured guest May 11 and May 12, 2010, on the radio show &#8220;<a href="http://www.andersonspeaks.com/">Afternoons with Dr. David Anderson</a>&#8221; from 3pm to 4pm EDT on <a href="http://www.wava.com/">WAVA</a> 105.1 FM in Washington, DC. The<a href="http://www.andersonspeaks.com/redir/den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WAVAFM&amp;uid=121"> program </a>can be heard on the internet. Listen to the show and share your comments on this blog.</p>
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		<title>Is Inerrancy the Defining Feature of Evangelicalism?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 22:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The response of ASA members to the resignation of Bruce Waltke from RTS prompts me to write this. Perhaps I am mis-reading my fellow ASAers, but it seems that there is little grasp of a divide that occurred in evangelicalism over forty years ago&#8211;a divide that continues to this day as I see it. This is <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/05/10/is-inerrancy-the-defining-feature-of-evangelicalism/">Is Inerrancy the Defining Feature of Evangelicalism?</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/04/13/the-resignation-of-dr-bruce-waltke-sad-news-for-the-dialogue-on-evolution/">The response of ASA members to the resignation of Bruce Waltke from RTS </a>prompts me to write this. Perhaps I am mis-reading my fellow ASAers, but it seems that there is little grasp of a divide that occurred in evangelicalism over forty years ago&#8211;a divide that continues to this day as I see it. This is a response in part as well to comments of Ted Davis and George Murphy to <a href="http://www.asa3online.org/Voices/2010/02/12/eugenie-scott-at-colorado-state-university/">my post about Eugenie Scott&#8217;s visit to CSU</a>.</p>
<p>The divide is over the distinction between inerrancy and what we might call limited inerrancy. Inerrantists, as defined by the Chicago statement, regard those who do not hold to this view as &#8220;neo-evangelicals&#8221;. The view of Rodgers, McKim, Bloesch, Pinnock, etc. would be in this camp. While these theologians may be theologically conservative compared to full-blown liberal theology on some key questions, e.g. the Trinity, Christology, the atonement, justification by faith, the work of the Holy Spirit, etc., as far as inerrantists are concerned, they are with the liberals as a consequence of their doctrine of scripture. These individuals and their associated institutions are not evangelicals&#8211;they are neo-evangelicals.</p>
<p>It is clear that the ASA as a whole is on the neo-evangelical side of this divide. Perhaps, even, the ASA helped pioneer this view with the writings of Richard Bube in the <em>Journal of the ASA</em> in the 1970&#8217;s. Paul Seely (among others) provided the Biblical scholarship arguments for this. Harold Lindsell&#8217;s <em>The Battle for the Bible</em> documents this from a highly critical perspective, and, while I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with all of Lindsell&#8217;s story, it makes the point. Today&#8217;s ASA remains in this camp for the most part. Lamoureux, Seely, Enns, N.T. Wright, etc., either ASAers or favorite theologians of ASAers, are among the ranks of Rodgers, McKim, Bloesch, Pinnock, etc. on the doctrine of Scripture. <a href="http://biologos.org">Biologos.org</a> and those directly associated with it are in this camp as is evident from their books and the way that they address the science/Scripture problem.</p>
<p>What may surprise ASAers is that the conservative Reformed camp embodied in denominations such as the Presbyterian Church in America, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and institutions such as the Westminster Theological Seminaries, Covenant College, Covenant Seminary, and the various Reformed Theological Seminaries are on the more conservative end of this evangelical/neo-evangelical or inerrancy/limited inerrancy spectrum. There are other denominations and institutions that we would not necessarily label &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; that would also be at the conservative end of the spectrum&#8211;I&#8217;m thinking here of places like Wheaton College. A significant group of ASA members and even leaders are from these denominations and institutions or are strongly influenced by them.</p>
<p>In these institutions to move from the evangelical to the neo-evangelical camp usually means losing one&#8217;s job if you are a pastor, college professor, or seminary professor. In making this move you have abandoned a key aspect of the modern conservative evangelical and Reformed faith. Witness the events surrounding Peter Enns at Westminster Seminary.</p>
<p>So what to make of the response to Bruce Waltke? The historicity of Adam and Eve and the Fall is a marker of adherence to the evangelical doctrine of Scripture. Most even go further and make the advocacy of any sort of animal ancestry of Adam or his body to be impossible in the inerrantist perspective. Thus, the reaction to Waltke (and in my opinion  a similar fate awaits Tim Keller) for his comments at Biologos. Now for the record I believe that it is possible to maintain an evangelical/inerrantist perspective and to entertain evolutionary ideas, extending even to aspects of human evolution. I believe that both Waltke and Keller do this. If you read their contributions to Biologos carefully, you will see that there is no hesitation to affirm the evangelical/inerrantist view of scripture or to affirm the historicity of Adam and Eve and the Fall. We see this as well in the early 20th century theologian B. B. Warfield. In some respects, Waltke and Keller are finding common ground with neo-evangelicals on these evolution questions at the risk of their reputations as evangelicals.</p>
<p>So why do I engage in this &#8220;splitting&#8221; (as opposed to &#8220;lumping&#8221;) activity? Those of us in the ASA in the &#8220;evangelical&#8221; camp (in contrast with the &#8220;neo-evangelical&#8221; camp) are fully aware that the ASA is a big-tent organization, especially on this issue. While I can only speak for myself, I suspect that there are others with similar qualms. We are very uneasy with the &#8220;neo-evangelical&#8221; approaches to scripture/science questions. These approaches will not work in our churches or institutions. Thus, when we use Lamoureux or Collins or Falk or Enns, we have to qualify them, if we use them at all. They often provide good discussions of the science from the theistic perspective; they often point to acceptable ways of reading scripture on some issues (age of the earth, days of Genesis, the Flood, etc.) but often intermingled with these, especially when we start talking about human origins and the Fall, are what we regard to be compromising claims about the character of Scripture.</p>
<p>ASA members, especially those at the neo-evangelical end of the spectrum, should know that they are only preaching to the choir when they root their arguments in a neo-evangelical view of scripture. While some advocate that young-earth creationism is the only consistent inerrantist position, it is clearly not the case. However, arguments for evolution and human evolution need to be cast into an inerrantist perspective in order to be made convincing. This, of course, is a much trickier enterprise. Some ASA members seem oblivious to this divide and in doing so seem surprised when it becomes important. Their ignorance of or indifference to this divide muddles the conversation.</p>
<p>Alternatively, the ASA could just say that these inerrantist/evangelicals have their heads buried in the sand and that the &#8220;neo-evangelical&#8221; view of scripture IS the basis for a correct understanding of science/Scripture issues. This is largely what the ASA has done with young-earth creationism in practice. In the heyday of the fundamentalist/Modernist debate in the early 20th century, J. G. Machen in <i>Christianity and Liberalism</i> argued that in reality there were two irreconcilable and competing views of Christianity here&#8211;two different religions even. The evangelical world (in contrast to the neo-evangelical world) would argue similarly today. ASA could decide to play on only one side of this divide, but if we do, let&#8217;s fully understand what we are doing. When we call evangelicals to become neo-evangelicals, it is like asking them to change religions.</p>
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